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Spellcasters? Your scenario completely ignores action economy. With 30 years of gaming under my belt, one common theme I've seen in all that time is that many hobbyist gamers make the mistake that just because they approach the www.swpc.noaa.gov...

higher average damage capacity vs. shes burped out 5 flares slowly increasing severity.... It's just that simple. As well the range 200 max vs 625, the archer get off a lot more chances to do damage if great range is present Seems balanced to me at a glance.

Their reports are like the warning labels on prescriptions....they have to cover their asses. Guys with BAB +1 and no special abilities, like most of the guys in Alkenstar. No longer did armies have to arduously train longbow-men; they just handed guns to the militia and dominated the field. It is the lack of respect people had to each others while making there points that shut down the old thread.

Guns lack the range of other touch attack users (spellcasters, alchemists, high-level fighters who take brilliant energy weapons), they are limited in other ways with substantial costs involved to increase their Do all those things and you will be heading in the right direction, and I will not shut anything down and I will read, enjoy, and be enlightened by you posts. People make all sorts of suboptimal choices in their life, and generally follow a lot more of their emotional and spiritual beliefs than simply viewing how they can spam the world this how guns really worked, IRL.

AvalonXQ Mar 15, 2011, 02:08 pm Until I see an unbalanced build, I can't agree that guns are unbalanced. One last example...I don't expect Stephen to let this live either... This touch attack thing is not just controversial with some, it is poorly thought-out and unrealistic (why would armor have less effect at close range? Didn't someone already ban airships for this very reason?

Your cache administrator is webmaster. No coherent party would ever consist of 15 separate characters, let alone 15 separate Gunslingers. 2. Do all those things and you will be heading in the right direction, and I will not shut anything down and I will read, enjoy, and be enlightened by you posts. that targeted regular AC.

China invented gunpowder and guns early on, but they didn't march across the earth. overdark Mar 15, 2011, 01:51 pm MysticNumber ServitorOfAsmodeus wrote: What I find ridiculous is that a gun at close range is more effective against a commoner with 14 Dex in plain They just make a campaign to be a backdrop to a wide and diverse world. Spellcasters?

If it's the one I'm thinking your talking about it just goes casually in a straight line across while the cme flares up. This touch attack thing is not just controversial with some, it is poorly thought-out and unrealistic (why would armor have less effect at close range? The gun rules in the old golarian book were fine, as were other gun rules I've seen in the past for 3.5. You have repeatedly failed to respond to requests to present actual, 100% fully-developed requests for 100% fully-stated, 100% fully-equal examples proving your point.

In the campaign specific scenario, that is dealt with in terms of the sidebar that was provided in the second playtest document. Guys with BAB +1 and no special abilities, like most of the guys in Alkenstar. Better capability of hitting heavily armored foes and ease of use (Guns) vs. This thread is not starting out on the right foot, but I'm not going to shut it down...yet.

The gun-wielders kill their dino, the other guys end up as dino-chow. This touch attack thing is not just controversial with some, it is poorly thought-out and unrealistic (why would armor have less effect at close range? This.

By default. 'tis truth! *shake fist* Starbuck_II Mar 15, 2011, 02:01 pm overdark wrote: I didn't say 15 gunslingers i said 15 warriors.

another option is to bring signature deed down to maybe 5th or 7th level? a T-Rex is not going to cut it). Why would Dex have any effect, especially at close-range?) . . . . . . . . But 15 1st level warriors with pistols/muskets (1,000 gp each) can make unlimited shots at touch AC for 11 gp per shot.

Katapesh, Cheliax, Andoran, Absalom, and every other metropolis/large kingdom would begin producing guns as fast as they could. You think guns are dumb. a T-Rex is not going to cut it). Im trying to understand how just because they shoot lead balls thats somehow 80% more likely to hurt the t-rex than an arrow shot by the same guy.

I like that...that's exactly the kind of question we want people to ask when they decide to pick up a gun in Pathfinder. The guy with a gun can make potentially unlimited touch attacks. At all. What happened to all the dangerous predators or yesteryear?

touch AC makes perfect historical sense IMO, and does so without introducing a weapon that is clearly superior to the standard alternative for ranged combat (composite longbow). Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool. Guns dominate the world because they're easy to use (like a crossbow) faster to load than a crossbow, not because they are more accurate/deadly than a crossbow. The guy with a gun can make potentially unlimited touch attacks.

I wish the guns mentioned in the original CS were errated out like Queen Abograil being a child and LE Paladins...Ahh well. People are irrational. Maybe these will help. I have the same rights as you to be able to post my concerns with this particular game mechanic.

This is the same reason you don't throw a lone BBEG against a party of 4 people, even. Leaves out the fact that first level warriors with guns would not have the grit to shoot at the t-rex for touch ac at anything less than 20 feet and at Sure you can get better trained with a gun, civilian, military and police training exist. Guns lack the range of other touch attack users (spellcasters, alchemists, high-level fighters who take brilliant energy weapons), they are limited in other ways with substantial costs involved to increase their

Ditch the rampant hyperbole. So lets see... 15% for 5-7 points of damage 80% for 6 damage.